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Sirlin Administrator	posted 07-04-2003 02:33 AM Discuss Playing to Win, Part 3: Not Playing to Win here. --Sirlin IP: Logged
cbc22 Junior Member	posted 07-16-2003 12:37 AM Nice article... gj.... well, I hope you could post articles more often... I would also like to know about what's happening in your business too... ^_^ IP: Logged
Pollo2032 Member	posted 07-18-2003 12:26 AM Well, i really like this page, the problem is that there isn't enought ¨action¨...but well i will make my 2 cents.. Playing to win concept was a problem to me on the internet world for a lot of time, since i'm a player that play to win. But i had to really like the game, there is no fun on trying to win on a boring game. This is about sirling saying setting rules on game is a bad idea. But some games are bad as they are, so rules introduced are a good things, Heroes 3 my second favorite game, and on wich i well ranked on the Toh league, would be absolutly dead game, if it wasn't by rules... Why? well the games did have some features that were very bad balanced for game designers. So, should we drop the game and find others like you said? the question is, is there a very good game well balanced? No there isn't so the best you can do, or the community of one game can do is to make rules to balance the game. Warlords battlecry is with do doubt to me the best game ever. But it has one big problem it has a lot of variety, and the game designers didn't a good job balancing the game, si it's completly full of exploits, at the point that a no rules game is pure crap. But with rules, the game became really interesting. And in fact the best game ever to me. So rules are bad? not they aren't bad as long as all the players agree on the rules. The problem is when players have ¨honor rules¨that is crap, if it isn't setting before the game, it is not a rule. I was one of the players who set rules on the wbc community...how? well i play games, and tell my opponents the rules i think are needed, when they replies things like ¨Rules are stupid¨ i did limite to play no rules games, a very boring of using 1 of 12 races and 1 type of hero of 20 where i only go with my hero with no buildings and destroy the entire base on the first minute...WHOA! what a good game. Should i go to try other game instead of set rules? I don't think so, no other game i did ever seen (and i did play lots of RTS and TBS) have so much potential. I did like starcraft and i did like AOE , but there is no point to tell you why those game habe less potential than WBC since it will be very long, but i will tell you if you request it for. I do play chess and go. I love strategic games and i spent most of my times to it. Now i hate to play players that choose a character , a race or style of play, reegardless of it efectivnees and instead they choose them beacuse they are ¨nice¨ I do play to win. And i really don't matter if i win or not (unless is a tournament a thing i will explain later) i get fun TRYING TO WIN. Now in a tournament it's a bit different, if you didn't make the tournament, you can't set the rules, if you want to win the tournament you have to addapt to the tournament's rules, or you aren't gonna to win, and to win the tournament you have to do what neccesary, and i think you won't agree with this, but i would even kill my opponent if i can to win the tournament, i will ever cheat i will do what's neccesary,why? well i did play some strategy games on a proffesional way and the best players do cheat if they can, if you don't the same, you don't have the same tools and you won't be able to match them. So like a final point, Rules are good, but ......read my signature. ------------------ Games are mastered not by those who master what they are playing but master the rules by which they have to play within .. ... [This message has been edited by Pollo2032 (edited 07-18-2003).] IP: Logged
DJSystem Member	posted 07-18-2003 01:36 PM Shit man, tell your mom to stop buying you so much sugar. IP: Logged
Pollo2032 Member	posted 07-18-2003 08:50 PM What did you mean? i love sugar anyway! IP: Logged
Serendib Junior Member	posted 09-07-2003 06:06 PM I think that gathering all the information you can about parts of the game is "playing to win." Just long term, instead of short term playing to win. Hey look its frans from chemical brothers list. Small world eh? IP: Logged
DJSystem Member	posted 09-12-2003 10:47 AM Serendib! Indeed it is! IP: Logged
Pollo2032 Member	posted 09-17-2003 07:24 PM Whoa, i wrote all that, and you answer....a sentence...i think i'm not very good on business... IP: Logged
DJSystem Member	posted 09-28-2003 09:44 AM quote: Originally posted by Pollo2032: Whoa, i wrote all that, and you answer....a sentence...i think i'm not very good on business... Nobody likes a cheater. IP: Logged
Itsatrap Member	posted 09-29-2003 02:58 PM Also remember that it's "Playing to Win", not "Cheating to Win". - Alan IP: Logged
Fire_Up Junior Member	posted 10-07-2003 03:33 PM [QUOTE]Originally posted by Itsatrap: [B]Also remember that it's "Playing to Win", not "Cheating to Win". I agree with all of pollo's post. Cheating in a tournament is totally understandable since you're there to WIN. Of course cheating for another reason than winning a monetary prize is totally moronic and childish, but i think pollo made that clear too. You scrubs worry too much about ethics to understand it, and you probably agree more with cheating to beat your 6 year old brother rather than to win $30,000. IP: Logged
DJSystem Member	posted 10-08-2003 11:50 AM Well well, seems that we have TWO cheaters! IP: Logged
Fire_Up Junior Member	posted 10-08-2003 06:30 PM quote: Originally posted by DJSystem: Well well, seems that we have TWO cheaters! And at least one total scrub. Cheating in a tournament is a risk, just as using a powerful strategy that can be countered into making you lose the game. You get caught cheating, you lose the tournament, and maybe even more than just THAT tournament. However, it can help you win the prize, can't it? Well then, it's another factor serious players should use in their favor. Not considering cheating simply because it doesn't fit your standards is no different from calling a move or strategy "cheap". Now, when you play a casual game, you set rules with your opponent(s), meaning cheating will most likely not be allowed. But in a tournament you're not setting the rules you agree to follow, you're simply doing the best you can to win the prize. Do you get it yet? PRIZE. Yep, that's the factor that motivates pro players. [This message has been edited by Fire_Up (edited 10-08-2003).] IP: Logged
DJSystem Member	posted 10-09-2003 09:51 AM As soon as you start cheating, then you lose all connections with the game itself, therefore, you are not playing the game anymore, which is why you always lose. IP: Logged
Itsatrap Member	posted 10-09-2003 11:36 AM Wait, you're saying that cheating for money is okay, but cheating for fun is not? Geez, didn't your parents teach you any morals? When people talk about the decline of modern society, they're talking about YOU. - Alan IP: Logged

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